Sunday, 17 June 2018

Inspiration for Veins of the Earth

As mentioned in this post, on vacation I had the chance to visit Carlsbad Caverns in southern New Mexico. I didn't know much about it before visiting but it proved to be one of the most interesting and impressive things I've seen and I've done a fair amount of traveling. I highly recommend seeing it if you're anywhere close or even doing a road trip to go see it.

The darkness proved to be to much for my camera phone but I had brought along my compact camera and managed to take a bunch of pictures that turned out okay. I've selected a bunch to use as inspiration for Veins of the Earth.

The entrance:

Various Stalactites

It's kind of hard to see it in the picture, but the picture blow is more of a wide angle shot of one of the chambers, It kind of illustrates how disorienting things can be. Nothing is really flat, everything is organically shaped. There are tons of protrusions everywhere ranging from boulders to stalactites and stalagmites, to the cave floor sloping up or down. Even though the cavern was light with spot lights to guide you, it was still kind of hard to tell where you were in relation to the chamber you were in. All the protrusions in your visual field serve almost as visual noise where it's hard to tell if they are near or far due to the sizing and similarity of things. Everything kind of looks the same. I can't imagine how hard it would be to navigate using a head lamp where you can only see a small section of the cave at a time. You could look at one area and see a grouping of stalactites, walk around a bit and come back to the same place, look in a slightly different area, a few feet off, see a different set of stalactites, and think you were in a completely new cavern. It's hard to navigate by landmark in this manner.

Hole in ceiling here leads to another chamber:

This is a fairly good picture at giving an idea of what the cavern system was like. Where you can see down the cavern and how round and organic shaped it is with tons of stalactites hanging. Where it's like being in the throat of some beast or something.

This kind of illustrates how deceptive things can be. Although the rock looks soft and wet, it was hard and slippery.

The scale of things was also pretty disorientating. The cave seemed to exist in an almost fractal nature where in this picture although it looks like it's a big cavern, and although some of the caves looked like this, it in fact was tiny. Probably only a foot or two high.

Saturday, 9 June 2018

Review: Veins of the Earth

This is an in depth review or analysis of Veins of the Earth. I am writing this after having DM'd a campaign using it so I am familiar with how it works in play.

Initial Impression

When I first purchased Veins of the Earth several months ago I read through it in several days, totally absorbed in it in a way that was unlike most other RPG product that I've read.  Part of this is due to it's unique writing style. It has a narrative/poetic feel to much of it, gone is the dry disembodied informative tone that most RPGs have. In a way I think this is perhaps it's biggest innovation. Most RPG books are written in a style that is similar to a technical manual or encyclopedia. When they're not written in this manner they tend to be filled with snippets of actual fiction, examples of play, stories set in the world, setting history told in a chronicle style, and other useless fluff. Both these approaches I find lackluster.

Veins does an excellent job writing about things you will actually use in-game, mainly monsters, with an an evocative and engaging style. The text does a far better job of actually portraying an engaging and flavorful setting than most multi-volume fantasy series that I have read. Reading Veins of the Earth was a wholly refreshing experience for me. It turns a cave, a simple hole in the ground, into a whole new frontier. An abyss that transcends it's geologic nature to embody different aspects of time and space, light and darkness, that force you to examine the experience of existence underground. Not just dry game stuff like how would you travel about, or what things are you likely to encounter, but how would it effect you emotionally? Psychologically? Socially? How would the alien nature of the environment really shape it's monsters? And deep time.

In this manner I find the true strength of Veins is that, beyond it's well designed monsters, it gives a good idea of the themes it is trying to convey and how to convey them through game-play. This in turn helps the DM create encounters and things for the players to experience that go beyond their stats and create a sense of shared storytelling.

What You Get

You get a 357 page hardcover book. It is illustrated by Scrap Princess with a ton of art. It has a sewn in bookmark, nice thick pages, excellent layout, and overall very high production values, as often seen in Lamentations of the Flame Princess products.

Overall as an RPG book it's a bit difficult to classify. The first 150 pages, basically half the book, is a very detailed bestiary. The second half contains rules and information on how to run an adventure or campaign in Veins of the Earth.

While it gives a strong sense of setting I would not consider Veins of the Earth a setting book. I consider all of this to it's benefit. The OSR movement seems to have largely done away with setting type books, books that act as encyclopedias on a world. I view this as a good thing. I'm not going to read 300 pages detailing the history of a world and it's places and people, all of which I will probably forget and just make something up on the spot at the table.

The chapters of the book are as follows:

Why the Underworld: 

This chapter is short, only a few pages, but really good for setting the tone and themes that Patrick Stewart is trying to convey. If you like this section chances are you'll like the rest of the book.

Pariahs of the Earth: 

Basically a bestiary. As mentioned before takes up about half the book. The monsters it in are very evocative. Some a little more off the wall than others. However there is enough of a mix of serious, quirky, odd, funny, dangerous monsters that no matter what kind of game you run you'll find some that you'll want to throw at the players. Every DM is probably going to have a different one that they will want to use in their very next adventure and one that they will never use.

Cultures in the Veins: 

These are more like essays on what the main races are in the Veins. They're short and don't really contain much immediately gameable information. People seem to be a bit critical of this. This section does feel a bit less fleshed out compared to the rest of the book but overall it didn't mind me to much in the sense that you'll probably have to adapt the main cultures and races to how you want them to function in your game so this section gives you an impression of them and leaves it up to you figure that out.

Light and Dark: 

This section is gold. Contains rules about the importance of light and how fuel for it functions a currency and other rules that really make the setting different from just a normal underground dungeon. Also written very well where it really gets across how to use the rules to make the players feel like they're in an alien environment.

Encumberance, Exploration, Climbing, and Travel:
Generating the Veins: 

These two chapters mainly about generating the Veins and traveling about in them. Overall this section probably breaks from standard DnD the most where it really attempts to present cave systems as dynamic 3 dimensional organically shaped environments, as apposed to the connected vaulting Styrofoam rooms you see on tv or in movies. It also tries to make all the minutia relating to navigating a cave, climbing, rope, exploring, etc. interesting beyond the standard skill check to see if you succeed on climbing the rope and fall and take some damage if you don't.

Overall I think this is probably the most bold and ambitious section of the book as it departs from the whole standard encounter list of combat/trap/trick/social that seems to embody DnD. After having run a campaign in Veins I have mixed feelings on whether or not it succeeded and will discuss it further in the following section.

Items, Treasure, and Spells: 
Madness and Change:

These sections are similar in the sense that they're all full of little things, spells, items, charts, that are evocatively described and easy to just drop in your game if the players do something unexpected or to create an interesting situation. Some are purely text and lack game statics or detailed information about how to use it in game, but anyone who is familiar with OSR material can probably generate stats or particular effects or how it actually functions in the game on the spot. Overall these sections are a really nice grab bag to pull from and you can tell a lot of work went into making each thing interesting and creative.

How it Plays

I ran Veins for about a 3 month campaign that is detailed here:

I decided to run it a bit like a megadungon. Where the players would awake to find themselves in the Veins of the Earth and wander about it it. Where it would be an endless series of connected caverns.

I started off using the cave generation methods in the book to generate the caverns. I had to drop this after a while as it became a bit too tedious and time consuming. If I had a bit more prep time I might have stuck with it more. What I ended up doing was dropping a handful of dice onto a piece of paper and tracing circles around them. These would be the caverns and then I'd draw lines in between them and using a simple chart to decide if the connecting tunnels would be large or small or what 'wall' they were on. This didn't create as dynamic cave systems as the book does but were a bit more organic than your normal 2 dimensional dungeon.

I found the main problem about running the game is that most of the material in the book falls into two camps:

  1. One where the Veins is a cloistered cautious cave exploration simulator where a lot of emphasis is put on climbing and navigating through a complex cave, where every decision can be the decision between life and death and where there is a fair amount of suspense over managing resources and the minutia of cave exploration. You are alone in the dark with scary shit. Basically like the film The Descent.
  2. The Veins as a alien underworld filled with strange monsters and stranger races.  Where there are societies and cultures and more your typical DnD stuff. Where it's a place for endless strange adventure as the players explore this underground frontier.

I found this to conflict at times where the cave exploration stuff is very slow, methodical, and the suspense comes from the realism which requires a lot of description and work to make climbing and navigating caves seem dangerous and interesting. While the more typical DnD stuff tends to be less realistic, a little more off the wall, and where it's engaging because it's weird and dangerous but you still kind of want to intreact with it anyways.

With the cave exploration stuff the hardest part is the DM has to come up with non-binary consequences and decisions to stuff like climbing up a wall and across a cavern. As otherwise it can become a bit tedious if the main consequence to every cave climbing action is 'you fall and take some damage'. The 'cumulative failure' charts in the book help for this. I don't really know if they have an actual name. They seem to be inventions of Patrick Stewart and I'm really surprised no one seems to have talked about them much. 

You can find an example on page 208. Basically it's a chart that requires a player to make a skill test on every ability stat and if they fail a roll something bad happens, possibly cumulatively. This is a really, really unique way of making skill tests a lot more interesting as it makes them less binary. Where one failed skill roll can lead to six different results and it stops an over reliance on strength and dexterity to simply solve all climbing related tasks. It really shows how exploring a cave can be a mental and emotional test and how there are multiple ways a situation can go wrong and get dangerous very fast.

I almost wish there was more about this mechanic in the book. Kind of how to really use the charts and make your own to really help facilitate climbing and exploring a cave being less tedious or less of a binary slog. If you created some more of them and just used a side view map of an actual cave instead of creating your own you could have a really cool one shot adventure:

Overall I find, while very interesting, the cave generation and exploration material in the book requires a bit of a different mindset and buy-in from the players then your standard DnD. The introduction of the more typical DnD material conflicted with this. 

It all wasn't a huge issue. Just that if I were to run it again, now that I've run it as more of a typical megadungeon, I think it would be fun to run it more as a short one shot. I'd take the above map, make it the lair of a monster form the book, fill it with a few weird items and other things, and reveal parts of the map as the players explore and navigate it instead of trying to describe it to them. In this manner I'd try to highlight the realistic cave exploration stuff in a one shot adventure that I found a bit more tedious in a long campaign. Although this said the stuff that I did use for my campaign was awesome and worked well.

So I guess overall it all plays very well, you just have to be a bit selective about the material in the book. It's like cooking. If you use all the spices all at once it's not going to be as good as if you're selective and tailor the spices to what you want.


Scrap Princess' art style is quite different from your traditional RPG art style. I'm not an art critic so I'm just going to describe it based upon the impressions it made on me: claustrophobic, impressionistic, fragmentary, flowing, dark, scribbled, insane, elegant, unearthly, cramped.

Normally the art of Scrap Princess isn't to my particular taste. It's well done, and I don't hate it, but if you had approached me and told me that it was going to be used to illustrate an RPG book I'd just scratch my head and think, huh, wonder how that is going to work, seems like an odd choice.

But work it does. The art of Scrap Princess is perfectly matched for Veins of the Earth. Very often it's not depicting a in an anatomical manner like you'd see in a encyclopedia. Instead I find it's often depicting the monster as you would find it. That is as if you actually stumbled across it in the dark a mile underground. That scattered terrified impression it makes in the shadows of your lantern, the scattered glimpses you try to relate to others later. In a way the art does a tremendous job of really conveying the themes and emotions of the Veins of the Earth. In this manner it doesn't just depict, but really illustrates the setting.


Overall if I were to describe Veins of the Earth in one word I would say impressionistic.  It's not a book that lays out a lot of information in a dry manner nor a book that delivers you a lot of lore in a chronicled top down manner.

Instead I find most of all it tries to give impressions of things. How particular monsters may be scary and operate on logic that is different from what you'd encounter above ground, how caves are cramped, twisting, and confusing, how darkness can seem alive, how easy it is to die alone underground, how the weight of stone above can drive men mad.

It packages all these impressions up with enough crunchy game material so you can plop them into your game. But overall does very much leave a lot of things up to you. While the information design of the book is very well done, and it's easy to use, I wouldn't particularly call it a prep free book in that sense that it leaves it entirely up to you to decide exactly what your underdark will be like and you will have to be selective and make decisions regarding it before you start play. In this way it might not be the best book for the beginning DM although you could do far worse.

However with it's wealth of creativity, it makes this very easy to quickly imagine how you want your underdark to be. It's literally bursting with ideas and will probably get you excited enough about them that you'll have no problem using stuff and running off on a tangent.

  • The evocative writing and art which gives a sense of the setting and themes and which is packaged together with stuff that the players will actually encounter instead of written in a dry, top down encyclopedic manner that seems to be the standard in the RPG industry.
  • Describing monster stats in a system neutral manner with things like comparing it's AC as chainmail or leather armour etc.
  • Actually telling what kind of loot the monster has in the monster description. This makes each encounter more interesting, a great way to convey lore about the monsters to the players through the items they get when they kill it, and should pretty much become the standard in all RPGs.
  • Those 'cumulative failure' charts that require players to roll on every stat as described above. These are a huge step in the right direction in trying to make ordinary actions, such as climbing across a cavern, more suspenseful and dramatic.

Buy if....

  • You plan on doing anything underdark related ever.
  • Or if you like interesting and engaging monsters. Even if you make no use of all it's other material, it has a ton of interesting monsters you can drop into pretty much any campaign.


  • It's pricey.
  • Will take some prep and a fair amount of thought to run a full campaign or really make use of it's material.

Thursday, 7 June 2018

The Endless Descent Recap

(To see the previous post in this series click here)

(To start at the beginning of my blogging about my Veins of the Earth Campaign start here)

So, it’s been several months since I last posted about my Veins of the Earth campaign. I meant to blog about each session but life got in the way with preparing to move across the country. Anyways, I’m going to give a condensed version of the campaign.

The Gang further explored the Salt Mine that they found themselves in in the first session. They soon came across a partially destroyed Roman temple that had somehow fallen deep into the earth. Inside they found a statue to Athena and one of the Gang claimed a magical spear. Afterwards they came across more Roman ruins, the remains of an entire city block in fact, all flooded with lava. Hoping across the roofs they made it to the far side where they entered into the Forum. Inside they met a bunch of Pyroclastic Ghouls. While they were only about 30 in number they were convinced that they were the inheritors of Rome and that their leader, Augustus Coriolanus was Emperor.

The Gang soon referred to the ghouls and the sunken ruins in which they resided as Ash Rome. It proved to be a bit of a base for them during further explorations of the Veins. The Ghouls told them that the lands to the east were submerged in water and there lived a terrible aquatic monster there and that in the lands to the west lived the strange enemies of Ash Rome.

The Gang decided to head to the west, partially because of the sizable bounty placed upon the head of the terrible aquatic monster. They soon came to a series of caverns half filled with water. After being attacked by some scissor fish, they decided to fashion a boat from the remains of a dead giant beetle. They then begun to sail the under ocean. They came across the Knotsmen who were willing to trade information for children. After some careful questioning and insight into the history of the Knotsmen the Gang learned that the Knotsmen run an orphanage in the Veins. They take children and take care of them, giving them probably the safest and best environment to grow up in the Veins, but however upon natural death the child’s soul goes towards paying off the Knotsmen unending twisted debt where they bargained away the future of their very race. The Gang was a bit conflicted about this.

Regardless the Gang continued on and soon the terrible aquatic monster came upon them. It proved to be a Castillian Caddis Larvae. They decided to retreat a bit to fight it on the shore. A decision which proved prescient as it killed all their hirelings and almost killed the entire Gang but they were saved by a bunch of lucky saving throws and the help of the holy spear gained from the temple to Athena.

After slaying the Castillian Caddis Larvae the Gang returned to Ash Rome. Word had spread about their deed, and the sizable stash of weapons which was now up for the taking and a coup had begun in Ash Rome. The Gang largely did not get involved but decided it was probably best to get out of town anyways.

They headed to the east where they came across a labyrinth of living statues of which the Gilgamesh was their leader. They killed the Gilgamesh and managed to narrowly escape with their lives but were a bit undecided about what to do next. They wanted to get out of the Veins but did not know what the best course of action would be.

However soon two things became apparent: the first was that they were being helped by some strange unknown beings. The Gang would awake from their slumber to break camp and find that items they owned that were wearing down would be repaired and that several times they would come across useful items such as rope, like someone had left it where they would find it when most needed.

The second thing that became apparent was that they were being watched or followed by another more malign and sinister force. They would sense it watching them by feeling an immense hatred. It would appear but only in purest darkness when the Gang had extinguished all their light sources. In the darkness it would appear as a silhouette of a tall lithe figure in the darkness, a silhouette of pure negative space blacker than black. Sometimes the figures would do things, like they’d see a flash of black and whatever enemy they were fighting would be dead. Sometimes it would attack one of the party members laugh, and then disappear. The figures did not respond to questioning and seemed capricious, most often vanishing soon after the Gang became aware of their presence.

After traveling on through the Veins the Gang made their way through spiderweb filled caverns in which the Arachnopolis Rex ruled. After rescuing some children the Gang reluctantly traded some of them to some Knotsmen for information about the two forces which seemed to be trailing them. The Knotsmen explained that they were the Aelf-Adal and the Gnonmen, and that either would probably be able to tell them how to get to the surface. The Aelf-Adal realm was ruled over by a capricious sexless Queen, a kind of dark underworld fairy realm. She could be bargained with albeit at great risk while the Gnonmen were prisoners and would need to be freed.

The Gang decided that the Gnonmen sounded like the better bet and so set off. After navigating their way through the sticky lairs of the Arachnopolis Rex, they soon left that cavern system behind and made their way to the Gnonmen. When they finally found the location where the Gnonmen were said to be held prisoner they found a strange sight: an iron door in the middle of a cave.

After knocking on it a slot in the door opened up and a gruff voice asked for a password. After several attempts it told them that they were expecting anybody to pick up the shipment anytime soon and to go away. After bursting in and exploring the cave system beyond the door the Gang found they had stumbled upon an illicit drug production operation run by several strange gray dwarves. They were using enslaved Gnonmen in order to manufacture their powdered drugs Willy Wonka style. The ingredients for the powder came from several encaged monsters from the Veins including a Fossil Vampire and Tachyon Troll  that the Gang freed and teamed up with. The Tachyon Troll ended up betraying them and the Gang killed it with some help from the Fossil Vampire which they swiftly got out of the way of after as it seemed to be very, very powerful. After exploring the caverns further the Gang discovered that the key to the Gnomens enslavement was a magical bell made out of star metal. The Gray Dwarves would ring it to hypnotize and control the Gnonmen who couldn’t stand it’s sound. In a battle on thin iron walkways over a dozen boiling cauldrons (full of mould being magically grown to turn into the drug powder), the Gang killed the leader of the operation, freeing the Gnonmen and earning their gratitude.

The Gnonmen helped the party ascend to the surface and Gang headed off to other adventures.

Monday, 12 February 2018

The Endless Descent: First Session

(To see the previous post in this series click here)

(To start at the beginning of my blogging about my Veins of the Earth Campaign start here)

For the start of my Veins of the Earth campaign I wanted to do something a bit different than just a typical start to a campaign. I didn't want to have the players start on the surface and begin traveling down into the underdark. I was going to do the underdark as a mega-dungeon and wanted them to essentially be trapped in it, with no choice but to explore, delving deeper and deeper. 

So I needed a way to have them start in the underdark, far away from the surface, unsure of how to get back. I also kind of wanted to start them off where they wouldn't have a lot of advanced preparation, time to know where they were going and to buy items and gear.

I ended up on deciding that they would be lured into the underdark by a dEr0 Dream Machine. A machine that an escaped dEr0 slave/experimental subject (there's not really a huge difference) was using. All dEr0 slaves have had Congruity Knots affixed to them so the dEr0 can control them. The book doesn't describe what they are physically like so I imagined them as metal skull caps that replace the top part of the skull and have long metal pins sticking down into the brain. 

Anyways, an escaped dEr0 slave was using the Dream Machine to lure people down from the surface. Or well, presumably escaped, the dEr0 might have let the slave think he escaped so he could lure people down from the surface that they could use. The machine basically looks like a strange contraption of silver wire and electrified crystals that had wires affixed to the metal skull cap.

It would let a person hooked up to it, when sleeping, send their dreams through the rock. These dreams could be transmitted to other people who would fall into a fugue like state thinking the dreams were real. However, (as most dEr0 technology does) the machine would also influence and work upon it's user as well as those it is used upon, generally causing paranoia. 

To simulate the this fugue like dream state that lured the players from the surface, I started the first session by reading:

"You find yourself in some kind of mansion. You are not sure where you are or how you got here. You look around and see your fellow compatriots."

And using the following chart to generate the mansion as they explored it:

Eerie thing
Looking glass on a table. Whomever picks it up see’s everyone but themselves reflected in it.
Spiral staircase
A marble plinth with a labyrinth carved in it’s top one that looks like a bunch of interconnected rooms. It seems to shift if you try to trace it making it impossible to find it's center.
Oak door
A painting of a cross section of an ocean. From sail boat on top descending down to black depth where strange things swim. If cut or damaged will endlessly gush water.
Trophy Room
Open doorway
A hourglass that is broken and the bottom half is endlessly spilling out sand onto the floor. Petrified bones can be pulled from the sand.
Bead curtain
A wooden coffin in the middle of the floor. Inside is another. Like russian dolls nested inside each other they seem to just get smaller and smaller. Inside the smallest coffin is the the corpse of whomever is opening them but as they were when they were a child.
Brass door with strange markings
A marble statue of Atlas holding up the globe on his back. But the globe seems to be a hunk of rough coal black stone. If touched the globe becomes to much for the statue and slowly crushes Atlas.
Drawing room
Greenhouse door
A candle burning with a black flame that seems to hiss strange static sounds like burning and bubbling metals at high degrees. If blown out the entire room will go pitch black and a deep sense of loathing will be felt like they are being watched from the darkness.
Music room
Doorway covered with drapery
A grandfather clock which ticks slower and slower and louder and louder until it booms so loud and deep around the room it becomes deafening and feels like an earthquake.
Serving window
A decanter with two glasses full of water. Ripples seem to form in the glasses which are full like something is dripping into them and a sound is heard like something is dripping but there appears to be nothing.
Servants quarters
Descending cellar staircase
A 6 foot tall ant farm with a magnifying glass next to it. If the ants examined they are found to be clock work. Like someone designed them to be looked at but not this closely.
Grand staircase
Secret door behind bookshelf
A large scenic painting of a mountain side. If examined there appears to be a number of oddly shaped holes in the mountain that are the exact outline of all the characters. The holes go into the mountain.
Doorway with open wooden door
A fishbowl on a plinth with only darkness inside. If reached into it feels like there is an immense space inside.

Each eerie thing is meant to kind of give an unsettling sense of the Veins of the Earth; it's immensity, it's claustrophobic nature, how old it is, how time is almost meaningless in it, etc. All without referencing the Veins of the Earth themselves. The mansion itself, with it's endless rooms and nonsensical nature, was supposed to be like the caves themselves

Every time someone investigates one of the odd things in one of the rooms I had everyone make a saving throw vs magic and they heard a tearing sound and feel an earthquake. Once everyone, or the majority of the players has succeeded one of these saving throws, a crack tears open in the wall of the room they are in. The sides of the crack are made of stone and they can feel air gently blowing from it. It’s large enough for them to just squeeze through. If they go into any other room of the mansion it follows them. If they squeeze through this crack they end up in the first room of the cave system I had generated.

They would then all awake from their fugue state and realize that for weeks, or even months, they had been traveling down, down, into the earth through endless caves. That they could remember scattered fragments of their journey as if it were a dream. They have no items, no food, no water. Their clothing is in dirty rags and they are filthy. They have awoken and come to their sense and found themselves IN THE VEINS OF THE EARTH.

*cue exciting reveal music*

Overall this is the most 'artistic' start of a campaign that I've done. It kind of worked well for my purposes where it got them in the underdark without any items, kind of scared and worried about their characters.

Because there was no combat or stuff they really needed their character sheets for in the dream manor, it allowed me to really set the tone and atmosphere of the campaign. Where they were purely in exploratory role playing mode.

It also kind of broke up the first session nicely. Once they entered into the first cave of the system when I revealed they were in the Veins, we then broke out the Veins of the Earth character sheets and transitioned over characters and I answered basic questions about the Veins and what kind of a campaign it would be and their current general situation. I also made them all roll once on the Madness and Insanity Effects chart to represent mental derangements they had picked up from their fugue state. Where they were slowly going insane and adapting to the Veins in unexpected ways.

After this bit they began exploring the rest of the cave system. This was a few weeks ago and my memory is a bit fuzzy on the details but I will try to recap.

The entire cave system they found themselves in appeared to be some kind of salt mine where the walls were made of salt and the rooms looked like they had been mined out.

The first cave they found themselves in had a bunch of crevasses which, at the bottom of one, was a corpse and a softly glowing orb. Having no items they decided to loot the corpse and climbed down into it. They found a few items, I rolled a few times on my Veins item chart. The softly glowing orb was a glass globe filled with water in which a luminescent fish swam. It had a STR of 15 and was their first lantern.

After this cave they entered into the next cave, a large cavern with strange murals hand-painted on it's walls in rough pigments. There was a throne of salt at one end behind which a gigantic setting sun had been painted. This was the throne of the Sun King. Across from the throne were some skeletal remains of prisons that had been chained to the wall. They broke apart the bones of these skeletons and fashioned rough daggers and clubs out of the thighbones.

They found some footprints in the salt dust on the floor leading from this cave and followed it. It led into another cave in which one of the walls was an iron door with a small grate next to it, letterbox size. They were too afraid to open the door so they pried the grate off the wall and the specialist crawled though. They found a body of another adventurer, dead and stuck in the letterbox. They pulled it out and looted it, then the specialist continued through and looked into the next room from other end which also had a grate on it.

I told them it looked like the magnificent bedroom of a king, kind of like the manor they had been in before in their fugue state. They weren't quite sure what to make of this but decided they better investigate. They opened the metal door, it was unlocked but had a trap on it that would electrify the opener. The specialist avoided it. They found a hallway beyond it at the end of which was another door. The strange thing about the hallway was the first half of it was rough stone and cave like but the second half was like the hallway of the manor. It kind of slowly transitioned or morphed from one to the other like the wooden floorboards had been laid over rough stone, etc.

They went down it and opened the door at the end. They found themselves in the stately bedroom. A figure was asleep under the covers in a bed at the far end. They approached it and the figure woke up. He seemed alarmed and called for his guards who rushed into the room from another door. They were well armed.

The character who had been sleeping introduced himself as the Sun King. The party conversed with them and he revealed that he had sent them terrible dreams of being in a cave system to lure them to his manor. And that they were all to swear fealty to him in his throne room and be his faithful servants. The party asked him what this entailed and it basically meant living forever in his court as his courtiers and being at his beck and call. The party, naturally, wasn't too thrilled about this but decided to go along with things until they could figure out the situation more.

The King and his guards led them out of the room back the way they had come into the throne room. Except that wherever he went they noticed that a bubble of the manor seemed to follow the King and that the King and his guards didn't cast shadows and were probably illusions. They tried to explain to the King how he was likely living in a cave in the Veins of the Earth but he just laughed at them and called such ideas preposterous, that it was he who has sent them the dreams of traveling and being in caves to confuse their minds while they traveled to his kingdom.

They entered the crude throne room they had been in before to find it a magnificent throne room fit for any king with dozens of watching noblemen and courtiers. The King then told them to all kneel before the throne and forever become members of his court.

The players weren't really quite sure how powerful he was, if he had some kind of magic to actually make the oath they swore binding in some way where they couldn't get out of it. They talked amongst themselves a bit about what to do and decided they weren't going to swear this oath and so decided to make a run for it.

They ran from the room, dodging the guards (who they found out, while were illusions, still had mass and could harm them) and ran back the way they had come, to the Kings bedroom. They managed to get ahead of the bubble of illusion and ran into the room and slammed the metal door holding it shut.

Looking around the room they saw it as it truly was, a rough cave, and in the corner on a dirty mattress was a emaciated old man who was hooked up to the dEr0 dream machine. It loomed at the end of the room a giant thing (so big that stealing it was was impractical, I made sure to highlight this to them) of metal wire strange electrified crystals and blinking lights. Think early Nicola Tesla/Thomas Edison type stuff.

They successfully unhooked the frail old man from the dream machine. The banging at the door stopped as the illusions died. He woke up and seemed shocked about where he was, wondering what happened to his kingdom. They explained things and questioned him for a bit. He didn't seem to know much, only that before he had been a King (he refused to think of himself as anything but) he had been a slave and he and the other slaves had mined the salt mines for their Masters who were lords of the Veins of the Earth.

They began to ask him other questions about his Masters. He began to tell them a little bit but didn't get to far as he suddenly began twitching and his eyes bulged out of their sockets. His head exploded right before them sending his metal skull cap flying high into the air.

Splattered with gore the party then had to decided what to do next. They ended up exploring the cave system a little further, they found a pool of water in the Sun Kings room that lead to an underground river and swam it for a bit before finding another exit in a previous room and coming across a gigantic cave where the river spilled across the rock making crossing the cave treacherous.

Anyways, overall this concluded the first session.

Saturday, 27 January 2018

The Endless Descent: Rule Changes and Treasure Table

(This is an ongoing blog series about my Veins of the Earth Megadungeon Campaign that I call The Endless Descent. You can read the initial campaign ideas here)

Overall I find most of the rules presented in Veins of the Earth work very well with running it as a megadungeon. However there are a few things I'd like to alter in order to have it work a bit better.


As described in the book lumes are used as fuel for your lamp, the currency of the Veins, and experience points. Time is light, and light is very often food, and food keeps you alive.

However I consider lumes to be a very abstract  measure of time with no set value of minutes or hours. Instead certain actions cost certain amounts of lumes as described below.

Traveling in the Veins

As mentioned previously I am going to be generating the Veins cave system by cave system. Where each cave system is a series of connected caves that can be drawn out like a bunch of nodes and lines as illustrated in the book.  Nodes on the map are caves with something of interest. The connecting lines represent connecting caves that don’t have much of interest.

I'm doing things a bit differently than how most OSR RPGs track time. The lines on the map which are connecting caves make up the majority of caves in the Veins, the interesting caves which are the nodes are only a slim percentage. The Veins is a lonely labyrinthine place. The time spent in each interesting cavern (node) is considered moot compared to the time spent moving between interesting caverns (connecting lines on the map).

Therefore each time the players move from one node to another it costs a certain amount of lumes, generally 1d4 exploding. I calculate this when I initially generate each cave system (which I'll post more about at a later date).

Each movement between caverns invokes a wandering monster roll. If the characters move between caverns without light or run out of light halfway through, it invokes a wandering monster roll for each point of lume they would have spent.

Healing and Sleeping

It takes time to heal. To heal players must stop and sleep or rest. They heal one hit point per lume spent resting. They can rest without light in the darkness and still gain hit points but each hit point they heal invokes a wandering monster roll. This roll may be mitigated if they sleep in a heavily secured location.

Recovering Spells

To regain spells or other things that are regained every day, the players must stop and rest as described above and spend at least 8 lumes. 


Every session the characters must eat. If they don’t they advance along the starvation track.

Lumes and Experience Points

Based upon the leveling charts in the core LOTFP book you need to acquire hundreds or thousands of silver. Overall to really give the game a survival feel I need drastically reduce the amount of lumes given out to the players to make running out of light an actual danger and have every lume count for more. To this end I am using the following chart to for all characters for leveling up:


It's basically the fighters leveling chart reduced by a factor of 10. I generally give out:

1d6 lumes for every body searched.

1d100 lumes in a cache (treasure chest, monster lair, hidden compartment etc.)

And 100-500 lumes for selling an especially rare item or searching the lair of an especially dangerous monster.

Overall it is very hard to get more than 500 lumes at a time and this keeps the amount of lumes the players gain lower, so running out of light is an issue, and how you want to spend that light more meaningful, yet keeps them leveling at around the same rate.

Gaining Experience Points

How the players decided to divide up the lumes they find is up to them. 

In terms of tracking lumes as experience points, the total amount of lumes collected in a session is tracked by me the Referee. At the end of that session a number of experience points equal to the amount is divided between all players at the session.

Additionally the players can spend their lumes to receive experience points on a 1:1 ratio. Yes, this means they are effectively getting 1 experience point when they first find the lume, and then can spend it for an additional experience point. 

This is to give even greater weight to lumes. For example say over the course of two sessions the party of 6 level one characters acquires 200 lumes. They would each have 33 experience points each. They could decide to pool their lumes and have one player spend a bunch of them to advance to second level. But this would leave them without much left to use for light or buy equipment or heal etc. In this manner the players can decide to blow their lumes to quicly level their characters, but may find it puts them in a worse off position. They will have to careful weigh risk v.s reward.

Equipment and Item Use

Very often in OSR games the players can use items they find or materials they scavenge to aid or problem solve in tasks without needing to roll a dice. Like using a plank as a bridge or rope to climb some rock. For these types of situations I am using the following general guidelines:

The players may opt to make a skill check or roll to overcome some kind of obstacle without the use of equipment or items. If they fail they incur some kind of danger.


The players may opt to make some kind of skill check or roll in order to use materials or items they have to overcome some obstacle to gain a bonus on the skill check. If they fail they incur some kind of danger. The items are not consumed in the process.


The players may opt to take their time with the task and build something sturdy and automatically overcome the challenge but the items and 1 lume for each roll that would have been needed to be made is consumed in the process.

For example say the players want to scale a cave. If they don't have any rope or climbing pitons or iron spikes or anything like this to aid them it's going to be a straight climb check. If they fail they take falling damage.

However if they have some rope they can choose to use it to aid them in their task. Say by tying themselves to each other as they go so if someone slips the others can hopefully help them. It will still require a climb roll but the rope won't be consumed.

Or if the players decide to really take their time they can do the task without having to roll at all, but it will 'consume' these resources. Such as putting the iron spikes in the rocks in ways that it's near impossible to recover them or tying so many knots in the rope and spiking it to the rock face that you're not going to get it back.


Because the characters are essentially always stuck in the megadungeon and don't return to town at the end of each session or anything like this, most of the equipment and items they find are going to have to be scavenged.

I've used the equipment charts and item sections in the book to come up with my own equipment chart.

Overall my goal was to ensure a good distribution of the types of items they would need v.s more interesting flavourful items v.s powerful treasure.

Its a fine balance as I wanted the players to be expending equipment to overcome obstacles, like rope, but also finding equipment to replace it. As overall their access to merchants is going to be limited.

Thus there are three general tiers in my treasure table. The first tier is mostly mundane or garbage items that aren't worth much money and don't have much use although players might be able to find a use for them if they get creative. It features Refuse, Clothing, and Personal items. Items of these types are found 25% of the time.

The second tier is more practical stuff. Stuff the characters are going to need to survive and features Equipment, Weapons, and Armour. The players will be able to sell these things, generally for 1d6 lumes if they really want to lug them around. Items of these types are found 44.5% of the time.

The third tier is more valuable stuff. Stuff that the characters are going to really want to get their hands on. They could sell them for a fair amount of money and they are things which will come in handy to get out of tough situations. This tier features Underdark Equipment, Scrolls, and Art. The players will be able to sell these things, generally for at least 100 lumes although finding a buyer may be difficult. Items of these types are found 25% of the time.

Also I hate rolling on subtables and wanted to use this chart on the fly so in order to generate an item you only need to roll twice. Once, 2d6 to determine the type of item the party has found, and then 1d20 to determine the specific item. The entire chart only takes up two pages. Could probably get it down to one if you squished it and got rid of the help text.

Overall I roll on this chart each time the characters search a body or two and several times if they have found a cache or are searching a lair.